Mesh In Troppo Secondlife our first thoughts.

Almost a week in to testing mesh @Troppo SL.

Mesh is by far the most complex change I have seen during my stay in SL, it is an exciting change. Is is good or bad?  I think it is for you to experience and for you to make up your own mind how, what and if you want to use mesh. If mesh can live together with prims and sculpted items in harmony all is well and I guess this exactly what Linden Lab is trying to do.

I don’t think that is an easy task, especially if at the same time you are trying to make it in a business like manner.

What is this going to cost?  There is added cost to include mesh.  I am not including the cost for software that you might need to create the mesh. You pay for uploading the mesh in the same way you pay for uploading textures and photos. The price for uploading varies on the complexity of the mesh.  As an example the Lion and Tiger (in the clip below) cost between $L150 to $SL200 to upload, the prim count for each is around 180 prims.

The texture for mesh can be as complex as the mesh itself or it can be simple what is right for one not necessarily so for the next and  the ordinary cost for uploading texture  applies.

How will this affect the performance of SL and Opensim?  Well I don’t know but I suspect that as long as we stay within the old prim count rules we should not see much difference. Adding a bit of mesh to Troppo Island has made no impact but we have not added lot of mesh so time will tell.  When you have a mix of prims .sculpties and mesh and try to determine what effects what performance wise, I am glad I don’t have to work it out. I have no doubt that the quality of mesh can be really good and  can be superior to what we had before. However prims and  sculpties are easier to build with. Lets not get too involved or technical,  lets us test more and get more knowledge, meanwhile here is a short clip to show mesh sculpties and prims living together in harmony:-). Thank you to Linden Lab for giving us the opportunity to participate.

Journey tribute concert and Japan relief

The Stage is set!

A tribute concert to Journey Friday 18 March at 1pm SL time.

Journey released their eponymous first album in 1975, and rhythm guitarist Tickner left the band before they cut their second album, Look into the Future (1976). Neither album achieved significant sales,[11] so Schon, Valory, and Dunbar took singing lessons in an attempt to add vocal harmoniesto Rolie’s lead. The following year’s Next contained shorter tracks with more vocals, and featured Schon as lead singer on two of the songs.


“The looking Glass” has put The Journey tribute concert together.

Lets grab this opportunity to dig deep in our pocket and help our Japanese friends that at the moment are facing an ever increasingly Grim situation, Earthquake, Tsumami and Nuclear disaster all at the same time. Please come along to the concert buy a Linden Relief Bear enjoy the music and lets send some good thoughts to the people who need our support  now.

IM me Per Pegler during the concert and I will include your avatar name in the credits of the Journey video clip ( will be on on this blog and youtube  the day  after the concert) I hope we can make it a long credit list. Please understand I wont be able to talk to you during the concert I be busy recording.  If you need any help please  talk to Simone Nurmi  see you after the show.


Troppo SecondLife has had a busy week

Queen concert

Busy week in Troppo and SN Rock&Blues Club

Robb’s Birthday celebrations brought Dee Timeless as a special guest. I hope we see more of  Dee she is a talented  artist and very pleasant person. The Looking Glass Tribute  Band  has been working hard to perform a concert as a tribute to Queen 40 years celebration this year… Yep 40 years ago mmmmm…..

The team today showed what they are made off.  It was a super concert for 2 hours some of the best and most liked Queen music. It was a pure pleasure a first class performance. I am so looking forward to more. If you missed it all I am sure you will have the opportunity to see the band in action again. In the mean time you have to make do with this little snippet to tease you eat your hart out Queen fans …..:-)

The Looking Glass Tribute Band

As of a week or so back  Club Troppo has its own House Band performing at SN Rock&Blues Club. April and friends has formed The Looking Glass Tribute Band. I got together with April and asked her for some inside information. This is what she had to tell me.

Why a Tribute Band?

A tribute band is a lot of fun.. As a tribute band we can play any band we like.. or any request for a particular band. Robbert, Celith, Margie, Tiresias, and I have a lot of fun deciding which band we will play next.. and I love building the stages and mixing the light show. Troppo has many awesome places where I build and we practice.. We love Troppo

Who are the members?

We are all SL musicians. Robbert Sands directs the music and mixes the live concerts. Robb developed the mixer software himself and he does an exceptional job. He plays piano and keyboards. Celith Wendt plays bass and keeps all of us in a great and productive mode. Margie Lyric is the best drummer in SL. Tiresias Soothsayer is also multitalented. Tiresias plays sax and additional instruments required by the band we are playing. I produce the show, design and build the stages, mix light effects, and play the guitar. We are great friends and complete each other.

What do you want to give to the audience and how does the band fit in to this?

We want to give a great show.. and we all love what we play. And we want to bring a lot of people to have fun with us, at Troppo.. Simone loves having Club Troppo crowded.. and so do we.. the more the merrier. What we want? We want to bring people together with the best music in SL.

This look like a lot of fun what do you guy’s get out of it?

We have a lot of fun developing new themes, choosing the perfect band, mixing the highest quality recordings, creating light effects, and building from scratch… like magic. We love the instruments we play. Our band practices are surreal.. we laugh and enjoy them greatly.

What is the next step?

I am working on a magical stage for Queen.. Robb is already mixing the best of Queen’s live.. and Celith, Margie, and Tiresias are working on their instruments.. We will be ready soon now. Queen is a fabulous band to work with and a lot of possibilities…

When is the next “Great gig in the sky”?

The Great Gig in the Sky was designed for Pink Floyd.. now we are working with Queen, and The Looking Glass will play The Great Queen of Hearts….

How can I be part of all this? If I start a band can I come and play at Troppo?

You sure can. We love new bands and having great concerts. If you have a band and want to play at Troppo, please come and talk to us. We will request an audition as we do with all our DJs and will look closely at your band to ensure the quality of all it is presented at Troppo. As an example of the concerts we have here at Troppo you can scroll the videos at peffeper’s  youtube channel, and see what we are up to. A new great band is always welcome..

Thank you April I am looking forward to The Great Queen Of  Hearts. Good luck with building,  creating the environment and thanks for sharing.

Virtual Justice how and when in online worlds?

I spent the last few days reading Virtual Justice by Greg Lastowka. Greg is outlining legal issues that can happen in Virtual environments.

Who owns what? What rights if any do you have when buying or creating digital content?

It is important reading for anyone involved in Virtual digital environments. In large environments like World of  Warcraft and Secondlife merely participating or building your own business can be a hazardous task.

Reading the Secondlife TOS in it self is a bit of a chore to understand it not easy and for a legal interpretation you need to have a good knowledge of the law. A law that in many cases was not designed with consideration to Virtual environments.

I have spent the last 5 years or so involved in virtual worlds When I first entered Secondlife the platform appealed to me from a business point of view, many a time have I been told it is only a game it is not real….. SoI thank Greg for this

My point here is fairly simple: the person who buys a castle in Ultima Online or a plot of land in Second Life is, in all likelihood, not in need of professional psychological help. We should accept that people who are healthy and sane can be passionate participants in virtual worlds.

Good I feel better now 🙂

After years in Secondlife tossed around by Linden Lab trying to find a way to build a business that I could safely recommend to my customers, I welcomed the birth of Open simulator it could not have been better timed.

I now have the ability to run my 3D environment, that takes away a lot of potential difficult questions about ownership. The content is now on my own or hosted servers and I can offer my customers the same deal. With easy backup systems Ready configured Environments like the Diva Distro running your own Virtual World is all of a sudden easy.

I agree with Greg the of the owner of the virtual world looks to have almost god like powers with TOS that if you read them would scare most people.

Admit-tingly that same problems still exist if you are not the owner but renting space in an online World as is the case in WoW or Secondlife  – or does it?

As I see it, that need not be the case if you as a provider of the space at least include backups as part of the service to your customers. The Backups then enables the owner to start somewhere else if that need to happen (backups however can also create problems in the case of non copy items) and would naturally only work on the same platform.

With the advent of Hypergrid ( the ability to freely move between Virtual worlds) it is likely we will see lots of smaller 3D environments with avatars browsing virtual worlds similar to the way we now browse the www. This will put up more challenges for Justice in Virtual Worlds and will most certainly ensure that some of the Wild West mentality that exist will live on

Questions forming around copyrights are difficult. For example a large, complex 3D building is made up of from many components and will no doubt include items that are not all created by the designer of the final build, this is not much different from what happens in day-to-day life.

A digital item is however a lot easier to copy than for example a car, fridge, Tv or leather couch in “the real world”.

A well-developed marketplace for digital items anything from textures to final builds, an easy to understand permission system and sensible pricing could help.

Licensing under Creative Commons might also help to achieve Virtual Justice and pave the road for new laws for online Worlds.

I recommend:  To buy the book  or download please go here

Listen to an interview with Greg Lastowka   here

Online interview with  Greg Lastowka metanomics

Culture Lab  interview with Greg Lastowka by Samantha Murphy

Newsarama interview

SL Mesh Beta in test grid video clip

Mesh is still on my mind and with all rights it has opened our virtual world to lots of wired and wonderful things.  I agree with Gwyneth it almost feels like 2006 please read her thoughts here The Alpha Texture issue is FIXED hard to believe and I will test and test again  this really is a big step forward.  Back to the mesh I need to do more work in Blender to keep up with it all. Anyhow I put together a short clip from the text grid to wet your appetite for all things mesh, shadows, light and virtual environments . Have fun 🙂 Yes it is HD so if you have the bandwidth enjoy..

Projected texture and light

Mesh Cave

Ok I had to come back to this is like the kid in the candy store you have to come back and suck on that one you missed last time 🙂

I did not miss the “mesh cave” but I did not spend enough time in the cave so here I am again.

What do I think is special about this place created by Timmi Allen and owned by Leni Galli

well from my point it all has to do with light and how light is projected and managed.

“Mesh cave” does this really well, the new viewer of cause has a lot to do with this. Projection of Texture and light has been with us for some time but not published as much as mesh and other goodies like media on a prim. (Link and more resent video)

I took a few photos and you can see for yourself. It is hard to explain the details better if you look and make up your own mind. Remember we used to see light through walls and roofs a prim did not stop light. Here we are in a cave at midday and it is still dark in the cave added light make us see what is there added light also cast shadows and it is not projecting behind the distant it is told to reach …… me thinks pretty amazing. This is happening in the viewer so it works the same in opensim the only difference I noticed in opensim is the settings are not persistent so I need to add them after I I restart the viewer.

Projected texture, light and shadows to me is what has made an enormous difference to both to SL and Opensim mesh will be a big bonus on top of that. Fun times ahead.

Photos here

Mesh in Virtual Environments

Mesh in SL

I have been spending a bit of time in SL test grid playing with Mesh. It has been a crashing time but lots of fun and I have seen some great creations. The 3D warehouse at Google has an assortment of creations going from professional to the more amateurish pretty much the same mixture you can see in SL today. Will Mesh impact on SL and Opensim? Yes no doubt and over time it will be a good thing it will bring lots more content some better than others.

After having some initial problems on the test grid not having any luck uploading at all I found out not the whole grid is enabled for mesh upload only selected sandboxes you find them in search on the map “mesh sandbox”.

After that little mishap the fun started. When uploading a Mesh a Mesh folder is created in your inventory and lots of bits goes in to that folder during upload and if everything worked right an object will appear in your objects folder. Drag to ground and presto your first mesh import.

Textures are a problem (transcript from mesh office hour here) lots of imports will result in a crash but this is only the beginning.

If you see a yellow Chrysler Prowler in the 3D warehouse a warning it is very large like it covers most of the sim and maybe a bit more as I found out (took me some time to clean up mmmmm…)

What will this do to older viewers? As you know I use Kirstens viewer most of the time when taking photos or making a video. This is Lee’s take on the viewer

For the photos from the test grid I used The project viewer

More photos from the test grid here enjoy…….

Troppo Bon Jovi Concert SN Rock&Blues Club

The Bon Jovi Concert arranged by Simone April Robb and Krank and his gang from Explosive Concerts was another moments in SL that makes this place memorable. Lots of friendly people coming together to dance and have a good time. When arranging an event RL or SL it takes planning and time and lots of effort. The Concert lasted almost 3 hours Krank and his team put on a great show with special effects and lots of annimations. The Troppo sim did well lots of thank’s to Simone. People did arrive from left right and center thank you to April and Robb with other words a good team makes a great party.

As you know Troppo exists not only in Secondlife but also in Opensim. It is an exciting time right now with mesh is coming to SL, Hypergrid is in opensim, mesh in some part it is already in place in opensim as in modrex Realxtend. I know we will soon be partying in Troppo Club Diva distro opensim as well as in Troppo SL . Troppo Yacht Club is almost finished together with a small flotilla of crafts. Enjoy a bit of the Bon Jovi Concert here

Bon Jovi The circle Tour Concert at Troppo SN Rock and Blues Club

The Troppo team Simone April and Robb  together with  Krank’s Explosive Concerts team will entertain us with a Bon Jovi Concert on the 4th o September at 3pm SLT.   If you are in Aussie land  8am Sunday the 5th,  Bon Jovi at 8am on a Sunday is just perfect.

Krank it up 🙂  Served with short black, croissant, whipped cream and strawberry jam.  Get your sweet self to the Club and start the Sunday the right way . Rock On